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Post by avepdx on Jun 2, 2009 23:25:31 GMT -5
We are in the digital age now. So ofcourse art is going digital. When, I was shooting my Nikon D100 (6MP digital SLR that produced decent 5x7 and 8x10 prints) there were ALOT of film hold outs. They felt quality was better and "liked the film" feel. Which, translate to grainy to me. Many film photographers feel a quality print doesn't have a grainy look. But each their own. I felt that everything was gonna go digital in the photography world and wanted to get in on the ground. Today pretty much it has. If you shot for high end magazines you use medium format digital like Hasselblad. Nikon's D700 and D3x are full frame cameras that are top end cameras that produce excellent prints in all sorts of environments, they are just amazing. Canons I'm sure are just as good. The hold outs are pretty much gone now. I saw a girl on the train the other day with Nikon FM10. A great manual camera, the same one I used before I bought my D100. Much better camera to learn on then using a digital point and shot. I always said to learn photography use manual EVERYTHING for a year. Back when I had my D100 people with Canons use to brag about there auto focus system, then I would pull out my Mamiya (Medium Format camera). Yeah, mine operates off my eye and hand on the knob.
Anyways, seems alot of people here are more traditional then digital for drawing. Everyone is now going digital it seems. I starting to feel like those guys talking about the "feel of film" that I use to think were fools (I exagerate). It seems that digital can never have the same impact that a painting in real life has. Even a pencil drawing, with it's lead. Flows of watercolor and ink have their own 'feels'. If you look at the pics online that never have the same impact as they do in real life. There are plenty of artist that that are digital that I love. But a good painting in real life wins (most of the time, not always). Kids mostly study digital these day. Look at the cartoons, ALL digital. I've watched most of the DVDs of the Simpsons with the commentaries. Interesting as get some info on what is actually involved for making them. It's been on for ever and was probably the last to convert to digital. They were saying it got to the point were they couldn't hire any college grads that could work in traditional, as all study digital in school. Which, makes sense, if you are going to school it's for one reason, to get a job. I just wonder if 5, 10, 20 years from now I will go to the store and some kid will laugh that I want to buy paint. Then the clerk will then take me to some small little section in the back were a few tubes. I was just down town today at a store that use to have a huge selection of film stuff, now they have a small shelf, something similar to what you would put a few postcards on.
Cant teach an old dog. Everytime I pick up my wacom, I always think how much easier it would be just to pick up a pencil.
well, feel free to comment
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Post by Galius on Jun 3, 2009 18:40:23 GMT -5
You make some extremely good points. I agree with the whole "real paintings blow away digital ones" concept. I am mainly a digital guy because it's what I taught myself and it's what I know. Though I do sketch with pencil and paper. I am starting to get into acrylics alot. They are a great and easy to use medium. You can texture real well with them and it's easy to fix mistakes.
As far as tablets and photoshop goes it's great. It less expensive and you can do a massive variety of things. When I first started getting into digital work to be honest I didn't like it at all, but over time the more I learned and the different techniques a developed I started to like it alot. I can sit at my computer put on some awesome tunes and proceed to make something out of nothing in photoshop. From the textures to the glow effects and the great smoothness in shading and lighting. It really is amazing when you think about it.
Now that being said the little I've done with acrylics I found more enjoyable. It's more of an accomplishment to make an incredible painting with a real "touchable" medium. My very first acrylic painting (which is the joker and it's on my dev art) was just an experiment with coloring and thinning and all that stuff, but it turned pretty cool and had some flair and originality to it. Partly because of me of course, but also due to the experimental process with a rookie behind the brush.
All art is cool in one way or another in my book, but there are a select few that trump the rest.
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Post by avepdx on Jun 3, 2009 20:17:24 GMT -5
I tried acrylics, they are nice. I tring out oils now, I love thier color and vibrance better then acrylics. Though they aren't as easy to work with, long dry times. But in other aspects these make the easier to work with. And, gives chance to work the paint more at a later date. They are easy to erase, just use alittle tupertnoid
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Post by jnight on Jun 10, 2009 23:26:55 GMT -5
A great subject. I usually lean toward tradition methods over the digital, but over the past few years I've combined them for a certain style. I love the pen and markers on paper. The digital programs are so good at enhancing ones art I have become somewhat reliant on them from time to time.
I would like to do some paintings and other more traditional forms of illustration in the future. I'm looking into some sculptor workings too.
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Post by avepdx on Jun 11, 2009 15:22:03 GMT -5
Cool, sculpting is pretty cool. Have you tried any yet, if so what types?
I made a paper mache head I was gonna use to test my light for portrait photography. Pretty fun, thinking about trying out some more stuff. Can do about anything with paper mache.
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Post by jnight on Jun 12, 2009 20:52:33 GMT -5
Cool, sculpting is pretty cool. Have you tried any yet, if so what types? I made a paper mache head I was gonna use to test my light for portrait photography. Pretty fun, thinking about trying out some more stuff. Can do about anything with paper mache. Not in a long time. I'm doing some research now and need a few more tools before I jump in. I'm eager to see my characters in 3D. ;D
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Post by Shogan on Jul 11, 2009 20:16:36 GMT -5
I was traditional for a loong time and then went digital. I still do traditional. I like to mix everything. I think artist need to study every medium. I think my digital painting only looks good because of the core techniques i learned from doing traditional. I disagree about digital versus traditional impact. I know digital has some ways of enhancing colors and effects traditional can not. We are just entering the this area and i cant wait to see what art looks like when i am 90. I have seen some jaw dropping art that is digital, especially in movies.
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Post by jnight on Nov 11, 2009 22:56:01 GMT -5
As for the digital medium, what programs do you guys use? I mainly use Photoshop 6 and 7. I'll break down one of these days and get a newer version.
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Post by avepdx on Nov 11, 2009 23:29:30 GMT -5
As for the digital medium, what programs do you guys use? I mainly use Photoshop 6 and 7. I'll break down one of these days and get a newer version. I use Photoshop CS2. I needed CS2 to support my old camera files, but it doesn't support my new camera. I think Adobe has a program that will convert for free will have too look into it. I have used Illustrator CS2, not so much recently except for that flag. I got Corel Painter Essential 4, I want to learn how to use better. I've been trying to learn 3D rendering. I have AC3D, Poser 7, and Vue6. I have a 3D version of a Thai house I made in AC3D (used to created the basic polygons etc.) that I might try to import into Vue for the environment. Poser lately I use for references to draw. You can can pose a human form as a guide to draw. It's decent for render pretty good people.
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Post by Galius on Nov 12, 2009 1:45:34 GMT -5
I use CS2. It does everything I need.
This poser thing sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out.
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Post by Shogan on Mar 1, 2010 21:20:03 GMT -5
Programs i have and use in a mix of super juiced creativity, lol for my art..Ihave plenty more that i dont use though.
ZBrush Painter X Corel Draw 10 FreeHand 10 Corel Photo-Paint Art Rage PhotoShop CS2 particle Illusions 3 Apophysis 2 Light Wave 7 Maya Poser 4 and 7 Daz Studio Bryce 6
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Post by jnight on Dec 1, 2010 23:16:39 GMT -5
Any opinions on GIMP? Better, worse, about the same as Photoshop?
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Post by avepdx on Dec 2, 2010 10:04:02 GMT -5
Any opinions on GIMP? Better, worse, about the same as Photoshop? Gimp doesn't have as much features, but the core stuff is there. Gimp is free. It's interface is different, lots of windows. This is nice if you have a big monitor or mulitiple monitors. If you have photoshop might as well stick with. Otherwise, GIMP is defiantly worth trying, probably does what most people would want with a photo edit/light digital drawing program. Not sure about custom brushes with GIMP. Of course like with any software there is a learning curve. With GIMP there might be issues with importing RAW camera images.
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Post by jnight on Dec 3, 2010 21:43:57 GMT -5
Any opinions on GIMP? Better, worse, about the same as Photoshop? Gimp doesn't have as much features, but the core stuff is there. Gimp is free. It's interface is different, lots of windows. This is nice if you have a big monitor or mulitiple monitors. If you have photoshop might as well stick with. Otherwise, GIMP is defiantly worth trying, probably does what most people would want with a photo edit/light digital drawing program. Not sure about custom brushes with GIMP. Of course like with any software there is a learning curve. With GIMP there might be issues with importing RAW camera images. Thanks Ave! My webdesigner suggested Gimp to me and I played around with it a few weeks ago. I liked the brushes and being free was a plus. I have an older monitor so having another (larger) one would help...make things alot easier. I so use to Photoshop it would take some time for me to learn these new program.
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